#49 - Nakoa HeavyRunner Unplugged: The Life and Times of a Round Dance Alchemist

Pain, suffering, and aging. 0:00
Changes in powwow music and culture. 9:43
The evolution of music and its impact on artists. 16:07
Music evolution and nostalgia. 17:52
Round dance music and production. 26:56
Music recording techniques and cringe-worthy old songs. 35:17
Audio engineering and preserving cultural heritage. 39:30
Preserving cultural heritage through storytelling. 45:00
Singing and Songwriting Challenge. 51:04
Music and emotions. 1:01:04
Music recording and release strategies. 1:11:49
Singing, priorities, and life choices. 1:20:37
Music and its power to heal and connect people. 1:23:29
Music, culture, and change. 1:28:33

Guest: Nakoa HeavyRunner
Hosts: Aaron Brien (Apsáalooke), Shandin Pete (Salish/Diné)

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Shandin Pete: 0:00

Hello, hello. Hello, this is Chandi and Pete tribal research specialist.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 0:04

Gotcha. All

Shandin Pete: 0:04

right. As I was saying, yeah, the Indian man's a complicated creature. You know, we can endure a lot of pain and suffering a lot of adversity. When it comes down to it, man, we're just we're crying inside right?

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 0:27

Yeah, cry baby.

Shandin Pete: 0:30

I like how you agreed that agreed with that really? solemnly. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like it almost made you cry.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 0:36

Yeah, it's serious, serious business

Shandin Pete: 0:43

I'm not here to make you cry. So let's pick the mood up a bit. I know I had a nerve. I hit a nerve. Cohen nerve. You probably just got done fighting with your old lady. Record and she's like, What do you mean? Then? She got on your case. Yeah. Now? Yes. You just you're just getting it over with? Yeah, based on music later, right. Yeah, that's a nervous laugh.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:09

Yeah, will will apologize later.

Shandin Pete: 1:15

But But passive aggressively.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:19

Aggressively keep the shoes on in the house. You know that kind of stuff? You know?

Shandin Pete: 1:25

No serious apology. Yeah. We're gonna get deep. This is our 49th episode. You know that 49th 49th episode. Oh, man. I

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:54

like that number, you know, brings back memories the full 49 It's fitting. Yeah. It's fitting that like, I mean, if I'd have known that I could have set up a green screen. I could have had like an old car hood. You know, car hoods behind.

Shandin Pete: 2:09

You could you could have brought a car hood. Aaron, can you hear me? Yeah. I can. Clear is it loud and clear? Yeah.

Aaron Brien: 2:22

Can you hear this?

Shandin Pete: 2:25

What? No, I heard nothing. Silence silence. I hear you though. Breathe in.

Aaron Brien: 2:36

You might hear me later. Yeah, really? Good. Really?

Shandin Pete: 2:41

Yeah, that's rare.

Aaron Brien: 2:44

Well, I didn't charge my computer got to be kidding me. I wish I was in it. Go. How's it going?

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 2:57

Hey, Aaron. How are you?

Aaron Brien: 2:59

I'm good. My cool sounds legit. I sound wack.

Shandin Pete: 3:03

I know he sounds like I can hear I can hear you loud and clear. Why is it your voice? Well, it's his voice he's got that. He's got that I just he's got that solemn I just got in a fight with my lady because I have to record that night. Yeah. Voice is they've been yelling

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 3:20

kind of harsh doubt. You know?

Aaron Brien: 3:24

You did you just get done saying hurtful things.

Shandin Pete: 3:31

Yeah, hurtful things. That's we're just talking about this is our 49th episode. And the significance of that is somewhat ironic. Yeah. Because I kind of thought so. Because that the song I wanted to share with you guys is actually a little 40 Niner

Aaron Brien: 3:56

Nice. Yeah. Aaron, are you with us? What's up? Okay, not an old 49 Song How's that look, guys?

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 4:08

Oh, yeah, they're

Shandin Pete: 4:09

like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like the sweater to the sweaters look nice

Aaron Brien: 4:16

Old Navy Old Navy Playboy that's how you know your agent is when you go to Old Navy and everything makes sense. Yeah.

Shandin Pete: 4:24

You look at the mannequin you say I want that. I want that.

Aaron Brien: 4:29

How the mannequin is that's what I want. Yeah.

Shandin Pete: 4:32

Show me where that's at. Yeah, get it for me get it down. Yeah, I think that's my size.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 4:41

I think the other I think the other sign of aging is a little bit is one year. You wake up in the morning and your, your your bro was text you or you text them and you realize it's like 530 That's another sign 530 in the morning and texting with the bro was?

Shandin Pete: 4:58

Yeah, two decades ago. Oh, that would have been scenario.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 5:04

One a bit. Just

Aaron Brien: 5:07

you send them a picture of your coffee. It's

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 5:15

classic classic. Oh

Shandin Pete: 5:16

yeah, that's it, man. Yeah, man. I want you guys listen to this. Once you guys listen to this 40 Niner man, this comes straight at you from the year 1976

Aaron Brien: 5:34

I'm not gonna know it.

Shandin Pete: 5:36

Yeah, I don't I don't know if I've heard it either. But this is this is a this is the epitome of live because this is recorded live at a 49 Aaron probably knows the place because this was his Aboriginal territory.

Aaron Brien: 5:54

There in the Crow Fair. I'm ready to work. I'm ready. Yeah, yeah.

Shandin Pete: 6:03

Here we go. Tell me if you can hear that

Aaron Brien: 6:34

singing on the beat these these guys ain't sober

Shandin Pete: 6:46

if you listen carefully, here's some Weezy in there I can hear my dad and they're wailing away

Aaron Brien: 7:01

you're probably conceived.

Shandin Pete: 7:06

I was ditched in the DB man I was due. But my brother might have been Szanto was conceived

Aaron Brien: 7:21

I never heard

Shandin Pete: 7:38

Yeah, what think about that, man.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 7:42

I'd like to know where you got that are you know, how did you? Yeah. Did you recover that from 76? That's before we were born for our born in a way for us

Shandin Pete: 7:51

born before I was born for Aaron was born. I was 20. Yeah. So yeah, this was recorded by by my dad and my mom. They were they inherited a bunch of tapes from my dad passed. And so I've been slowly digitizing them and throwing them up on YouTube. This is one of them. Live Recording. Actual 409 Crow Fair. Where do these Where do these 49 is happened at their Aaron?

Aaron Brien: 8:18

back then? I mean, probably right in the camps. Yeah, yeah. Right. Don't remember to leggins kind of became the spot, you know, to leggins. Yes. Which is actually a state park state park now. What it was then what was then I always thought it was weird that it's on the roads, but it's a little piece of state park next to the river. So we go there and give the county jurisdiction over us, which is weird. Wow. It was like, why now? Not only now you go into the state park, now the sheriff has jurisdiction over you. Then the BIA just waits for you out here. So you're like what are we

Shandin Pete: 9:03

better to do time and county than tribal?

Aaron Brien: 9:09

I only went out there one time. Yes. Like me probably the last year they had 49 out there you know?

Shandin Pete: 9:18

Well, yeah. That they don't do it. No more out there than get banned.

Aaron Brien: 9:22

No, dude. It's the wild west right in that camp, man.

Shandin Pete: 9:26

Yeah, not right now. Today. Really? Yeah.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 9:30

Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with that statement there.

Shandin Pete: 9:35

I haven't seen Yeah, yeah. Okay. I suppose that's that's sovereignty, right. Remember,

Aaron Brien: 9:43

sovereign sovereignty is the right to make decisions that are both good and bad, right? That's

Shandin Pete: 9:48

right. That's right. We've said that sovereignty right to do good and bad. And for you to choose whether that is good or bad. Yeah. Well, cool, man. We got Nicola here on on on the line and we've been trying to connect with him for a while last time I reached out and asked co if you want to come on he said I'm going to Canada. Not that why they got Wi Fi up there with what's all maybe he's going up there illegally so you don't want to be you know?

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 10:27

I wouldn't want to give the IP so

Shandin Pete: 10:29

yeah, we got to kind of stay on the down traced Yeah. But man, I wanted to ask a both the actually one question and what you think about this. What's changed now you guys a little bit younger than I am. What's changed since your time singing and seeing the Power Hour slash round ends anything anything associated what you're familiar with, in things that you participate in? What's changed from then. Until now? Because I've been noting some things and and I think it's a I like to know what what you what you've noticed. But Aaron, let me know. Then we'll let the world give Nicole chest. Think it over?

Aaron Brien: 11:19

That's a lot, man.

Shandin Pete: 11:20

Well, how about just one or two things?

Aaron Brien: 11:22

Remote drums? The Remos? Well, yeah, when I first started singing and even kind of started roundabouts and I haven't been singing as long as you guys but Remos Remos Amarna thing. That's something simple. Yeah. And then I remember the first time I seen remote drums and it was a guy named Gabby corral. Yeah, I think we talked about that

Shandin Pete: 11:43

we talked about last episode. Yeah. But yeah, but

Aaron Brien: 11:46

it was remote drums. Well,

Shandin Pete: 11:48

besides that one. Because we talked about it.

Aaron Brien: 11:54

Maybe the influx of like solo rounds and singing.

Shandin Pete: 11:58

That's gone and went. Yeah. Well, yeah, cuz

Aaron Brien: 12:01

when I first started singing, I guess Edmund ball was probably like the only guy. There was a little bit like McGilvery in green. They were kind of doing some stuff similar with you. For the most part. It was like I'm still groups, man. Oh, man. We all live through the big river Cree fad, you know?

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 12:22

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And

Aaron Brien: 12:26

how everyone pretends they weren't fans now. That's that's the part.

Shandin Pete: 12:32

I wasn't even into nihilism. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Aaron Brien: 12:39

I mean, there's that I could say but go ahead. Yeah.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 12:43

No, man, I gotta add to that. You notice a bigger decreased song came on? Yeah. Tonight. Ah, I think it was my wife was playing some Pandora or something our our Spotify or something. Anyway, one of the songs Good morning. pure nostalgia, man. I mean, talk about taking you back a little bit. Yeah, it's been a while. I'm telling you one man. Over and over. I was a I was a big I was a big fan a large you know, I actually got him to do a track on one of my albums, you know, really living up there for a bit. Yeah. So I went and he happened to be shacked up on on the rez that I was at. So I yeah, I went and seen him and asked him if he'd lay track down. So yeah, man, is that recently larger? No, this was not about 15 years ago. 16 years ago. Which

Shandin Pete: 13:34

album is that on? Now? It's called Indian Summer. Oh, Indian Summer. Okay. Yeah, he,

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 13:41

he come when did he come and did a track there. And we just did it in the house. You know, we didn't have access to anywhere where we were all just kind of hanging out on a resume there. Yeah. But yeah, he came over and in, he laid a song right there. And, you know, it was pretty cool. I mean, because, you know, we we traveled for so many miles and yeah, that was definitely on the top playlist there. But it was there. Yeah.

Shandin Pete: 14:06

So you guys didn't go into the bathroom into the shower and recorded

Aaron Brien: 14:13

the stairwell thing came after? Yeah.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 14:17

Yeah. That was before the stairwells. Yeah, no, but, you know, I mean, you know, a lot is a, you know, a lot has changed. It's kind of like what Aaron was talking about. But one of the things that I guess stands out to me as though it really did seem like a different vibe back in. Like, I want to say the 90s was a different era, you know, from music, and even, I mean, just the vibe of being at a powwow was different. And I just think, and I'm not knocking this or saying it's a bad thing, but I think the level of competition has risen so high. I mean, you know, I mean, the people honing in that not talent is never there. Only next level, you know, and, you know, it didn't seem like, you know, 90s it was kind of, we weren't really trying to perfect the sound like that we were just, it was kind of kind of freestyle, you know, everyone just just cut just cut hard and you know, and but now it seems like, you know, the, you know, some of these groups, these top notch groups, it's almost like, like perfection almost, you know, I mean, it's almost robotic Man, these guys are next level for sure. And yeah, being, which is a good thing. I mean, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it's just the, but you know, of course, you know, back in the 90s, you know, it was rare to even see a $5,000 Singing Contest for first place. I mean, I remember that was one of the first times that ever came out was in, in the mid 90s. And everyone was like, kind of freaking out like, oh, yeah, 5000 bucks, you know, and, you know, now it's, it's like, kind of like 15 to 20 is kind of pretty standard. You know, that's what, so that's one of the main things that I've seen, that's really kind of changed, but it also changed the vibe a little bit. Right. You know, it's a little different vibe.

Shandin Pete: 16:07

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, seeing that evolution, man is, is has been quite a thing. And, you know, like you said, it's not it's not bad. I don't think that for some people, you know, you have those one people who say, I don't like power no more. And you know, because they said, change, but I think that natural evolution, like I said, it's natural. I think there it's good. Not just that just happens. I just, I Oh, yeah, go ahead. No, I was just gonna say I got this one memory of Nicole, I wanted to mention, because I say it often, in certain circumstances, and it's kind of reflective of what you're talking about, like this, the vibe from the 90s knows that. Fort Hall one time. This was, uh, this must have been not it wasn't the 90s but as early early 2000s, you know, and we just chat and you know, and and then something about you, Mr. Gay pay, and you're really upset by it. And he said, Man, that this committee has got it. Oh, man, I've got I've got mouths to feed. You know, that's, that's sort of the definition of that what you're talking about, you show up to Power us, you get some day pays enough to feed everybody. And you know, maybe a little gas to go home. But you weren't looking to you know, win 1000s or 1000. Even you're there to enjoy singing your songs here and new songs. I mean, there was competition then too, but like for the for the everyday singer. It was this man. We're gonna show up and we're gonna jam and yeah, we know we're gonna get a little money. Yeah, that's pretty awesome, man. Pretty awesome. Yeah, I was gonna say Aaron for sure. When?

Aaron Brien: 17:52

Now you got me thinking of like, the vibe, the vibe of singing, you know? Yeah. So I hate to say this, but like my, the first time I listened to any of the cause music. Yeah, I was. I got I was drinking. So I remember it

Shandin Pete: 18:13

was just a time. Go ahead.

Aaron Brien: 18:17

Say your name. And I remember. I remember buying those. They weren't even like, high class kind of CDs. They were like the regular burden CDs with like, the paper labels on them. Yeah, like, one of them was yours. Can't get a weapon. I bought it. And I was like, I was like, I'm gonna check this out, man. And I remember because it was the same day I bought a blackbull Jr. CD. Yeah. And it was kind of like the same. And he was jamming with them then I think I'm not exactly. I can't remember. But

Shandin Pete: 18:55

we started them. Right.

Aaron Brien: 18:58

Well, that was like you right.

Shandin Pete: 19:00

That was that was Nikola. Right. You started. That's your drum? Oh, yeah.

Aaron Brien: 19:05

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I remember being

Shandin Pete: 19:08

humble. He's being humble. He's, that's my drums.

Aaron Brien: 19:14

Here's the route. Virgin. kinome Bacardi razz, they're like, we've been going knows him. He knows we're just cruising the backroads and we've done my gig and a co like over it over and over and over. I overdid it on that recording but I remember that was like my first real introduction that later the later and you know, met met you and stuff but then you asked us to record in we recorded into your living room, but I would say for me as far as singing, I was, I would say, would contest singing that seem like them old school cats they were. Their Foundation was non contest, right? So really, after about 2005 Six was like the first generation of people who their only Foundation was contest singing. Like you really see like Song style change, you sing, you see, like, the songs are now being composed for the contests where before it was like, you were just you're just singing tunes people are making because it was kind of I remember like in the 90s, like, Mystic River and Black was so and like, of course, black stone, and it was more vibey it was like the style was and there wasn't so much talk about contempt and straight then I don't remember people really having these like discussions. It was just singing, right? People were singing, and you're making cool songs, and then you would sing those songs in a contest. Then after a certain time, it was like, No, you're making songs for the contest. And it seems like to me the song structure. Even the way they sound change quite a bit and I don't personally necessarily think it was offered a good I don't some of them songs are like they sing a one time like one summer Oh, yeah, they're gone. Yeah, like, man, there's some classic tunes that need to be like, people need to grow up hearing the songs. You know, like, Yeah, but it's like that part of it's gone. So like if somebody there's a recording on YouTube from 2018 Blackstone singing like a song from that fort to Shane recording. Oh, yeah. Yeah, dude, as soon as I heard it, I was like, oh, it's like nostalgia. Right? Yeah, flashback. But then, and then I thought of like, oh, and I bought Blackstone live at Fort the shame and like, what color my tape look like and everything. Then I started thinking about kids aren't gonna grow up with that. Yeah, songs are songs are like, you sing them and then you throw them out. You sing them and then you throw them out. You sing them, you throw them out. They're not like, you don't think of like, the songs on bring memories like, like that white clay recording just some white clay put us a snap of the tape. That white. First thing I thought of was that that tune that real contempt tune under that John John made? And I was like, oh, man, I remember white clay and then maybe think of white clay singers. Right? And you kind of have this whole thing, but I don't. I don't think young people are getting it. It's different for them.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 22:35

Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. No, that's definitely something that I've noticed too. But with that is the power. Unless everything sped up like that. And it's kind of like loud these songs they do. And then, you know, especially some of them are, like you said, our shouldn't be classics. And they should hang around three, four or five seasons, you know, and but that's almost like, the level of competition. It's almost like, it's, I don't know, if it's the competition that's doing it. But it's almost like, someone feel maybe that they're looked down on at they're repeating a song almost. And it's like, yeah, it's like, you know, man, let it let it hang around a little bit, you know, like, they sing you once and it's in, it's gone. You know, and, but it is, it's really nice to hear some of them old songs that come back from the 90s. And you know, one of the things that we've been interested in really lately is we're actually going through a lot of our old round and songs and old albums, and taking some of our favorite songs off of there. Because just our level of, of technology at the time, it just, it's what we had. And, you know, in and technology itself has taken leaps and bounds even in the last 10 years. And, you know, some of these albums that we put out round dance wise are like 20 years old. And so we're going back and then, you know, this is these are just within the last two weeks, these are discussions that we've been having with some of my little singing family here. Like my son, my daughter, my cousin Raj comes in, comes in records as well. And and that's what we've been talking about, we were like, Hey, let's bring back some of these old songs that we 20 years ago, because there's a whole generation that hasn't heard. So it's like it's like new to them, but but also in that it's allowing us to to take that old you know, song in that old recording, which wasn't very good, but I mean, it was okay for its time, you know, that it came out but like if you compare that to our work nowadays, it's night and day, right? And so we just kind of lead like, let's modernize it, let's let's bring it into to modern times with the with the software's that we had there. Just the capabilities that we have now, you know, and so that's really interesting. And that's because in I'm kind of on that thing is it's a matter of bringing it does it bring back a lot of those old feelings and times and stuff. Yeah, we're even doing that with some of the old powwow songs. So, it's funny Aaron brought up, you know, Blackstone because, you know, I reached out to, like Randy and elmen There's some old 90 songs that that, man, I was just, I, I loved them. And yeah, I was like, you know, Can I Can I do a version of this? Or can we put out a version of this kind of same thing to record it kind of keep it alive, you know? And those songs are like, you know, Geez, 30 years old. You know, I mean, talking early 90s and stuff. So I was like, in there just classics, right?

Shandin Pete: 25:42

Yeah. That's the sound of That's the sound of bacon cooking. That sound of bacon cooking reminds me of one of your songs. Oh, yes. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah,

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 25:55

that's exactly. So yeah, man. We gotta we had to do it. We were creative. We didn't have the we didn't have the technology we have now. In the sound bites we have access to make our own. You know, we wanted rain, so why not? Bacon was frying and we put that mic right over it and

Aaron Brien: 26:18

it didn't work. I think most people probably think it's rain.

Shandin Pete: 26:23

You know, I thought it was rain. I thought it was like a soundbite or a clip. You guys got it? It was one of my daughters who was mentioned it we're talking about songs or salt mixes. Oh, yeah. That song with the bacon frying us. What are you talking about? You know, Nikolas core song when they start out talking and then there's bacon frying that there's that the fight was was you know, over? You know, they were fighting while they were cooking breakfast.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 26:53

It was it was fighting over who got that last week? And yeah.

Aaron Brien: 26:56

I think that's the I think that's even the recording. I was talking about, like that same album. Yeah. 20 years old now. Right.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 27:05

Yeah, that was even over. You know, it's, it's, it'll be 20. Because if we released it in Oh, four. So it's going to be 24? Hopefully,

Shandin Pete: 27:13

yeah. What's the title of that album? So

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 27:15

those are major listening. It's called winds of change. Oh, that's right. winds of change called winds change. Yeah. Yeah. And

Aaron Brien: 27:23

that's awesome code to go over the round dance world for a while, man.

Shandin Pete: 27:27

He's still he's still got it. Right. What? Okay, so here doing new stuff. Yeah. Okay, go ahead.

Aaron Brien: 27:32

I'll say this. All right. All right. This is my give kudos to the guests speech.

Shandin Pete: 27:38

Oh, yeah. Well build them up. We're gonna buff him up. He's kind of slouching. Now he's slouching, right? Yeah. At Mike's gonna go up a bit. Get to it. So 2025

Aaron Brien: 27:48

years ago? Yeah. Like, every single was Canada, right? When it came to round dancing. For me, it was like little island crease, like go right? Like I just yeah, that's the pinnacle of round dead singing. moves some and of course is right there. But for me, what got me into singing was the violin Cree bunch. So we started singing, hanging out in the bedroom singing China's sound and horrible and then now sound horrible again, like back to Sony horrible again. But um, we didn't have Montana didn't have their guy. So like, you look at certain provinces, and it was like, Oh, they have they have the northern Cree dudes or Kenpo Yak. Or like even mark long, John, right. Like, everyone's kind of looking at this round dance in chief. And even like Washington had like, the scarier boys.

Shandin Pete: 28:42

Yeah, so why do you go? No. Why do you go? Why do you go around dances remember that was one

Aaron Brien: 28:47

of the songs of the bear Hills was probably one of the My favorite class. But um, when koa came out, it was like, Oh, here's this Montana guy. And then then we had our Montana round dance singer. So like yeah, like, for sure, man. I think that there's a whole generation of rounded singers out there for one either are influenced by Nikola or they have no idea like he was doing it before. People like making round dancer thing. I think there was a lot of guys who could sing round dance. And they were pretty good at it. Like man like Paulo Standing Rock, like Holy smokes,

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 29:25

man. Yeah, yeah.

Shandin Pete: 29:30

The guy who led the guy who led a song from the stands.

Aaron Brien: 29:36

Yeah, epic. Like yeah, so cool. It kind of became the round dance and so then that means your Eagle calf kind of became the round dance facilitator for the Yeah, region. Yeah, it was cool, man. Yeah,

Shandin Pete: 29:52

Eagle cap is your studio to call? Yeah,

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 29:55

but Well, yeah, yeah, that was um, you know, we did we did everything under you. know that our own label, which was Eagle calf records of, you know, and, you know, I'll be honest with you part of that was when when we started doing when we decided that I was going to do my first solo album. Yeah, we were we were seriously though, I mean, I'm not trying to be funny, we were so broke, you know, we couldn't pay attention. So I couldn't, I couldn't pay anybody to, to to help me in any way, I just didn't have the funds, it just wasn't there. So, in that I mean, in, in now, you know, in the present day, I'm very grateful for it. But you know, at the time, I had to learn to not only be the audio guy that has to, you know, hey, where do you put this mic? How do you, you know, what's the best sound? How do you. So I had to learn all of that, but then it goes into the next phase. And that's just that's just the recording part. And then it goes into the mastering phase. And that's like, learning all the, you know, the software's and in the mastering, you know, part of it and even to this day, I mean, I don't care how good of a mixer master somebody is, with the software. It can do more than then. I mean, it's, it's really amazing. The technology has grown so so much, but But anyway, I'm, I was getting out is, you know, we had to learn every step of this way. So not only do we have to be, did I have to learn how to be audio guy, but I had to learn how to do the mastering, then I had to learn how to design it, you know, so I had to dive into graphics and all this stuff. And then from there, then I had to learn how to be a manufacturer, meaning I had to learn how to make it. Yeah, make the actual product that we could, you know, put out that's like, how do you print on the CDs? How do you wrap it? How do you and we had, I'm telling you, we got some humble beginnings. I mean, we used to use the doors. You ever see those commercials for those vacuum foods. That's what that was our first sealer that we made our bags with, we would buy our shrink wrap and rolls like big, big rolls. And, and then we would just, you know, cut it cut a square out. And we'd have to make all four sides. So it's not like we ordered bags, it's like we had to make all four sides. And then, but anyway, so yeah, so we ended up you know, having to learn how to be a manufacturer, but then we had to turn around. And the final step was how do we get it to market? You know, and that was just, that was just straight guerrilla marketing. I mean, just boots on the ground. Yeah, door to office to office store to store fees. You

Aaron Brien: 32:34

had that? You always had a bag every always had a bag.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 32:38

Yeah, yeah. So like, the whole process from beginning to end is is, is it's a huge process to do all that. But I had to learn how to do all that. And then slowly, over the years with each album with each artists that I ever worked with, I learned more and more and it just, you know, started to improve. Now, not only was the skills improving, but the also the technology and the stuff is also improving. You know, there's, there's better better software's coming out. There's more control that you have over the over the course of better recorder. I mean, that was, you know, the biggest leap for me as far as in fact, Shawn, do you have a multitrack recorder before I did? And I remember actually driving? Yeah, we were driving to your house in the middle of a winter storm one night to borrow it because yeah, we were going to record society. But anyway, our gas tank froze up that night, believe it or not, yeah. It was a farmer who pulled over save. I mean, who knows what would happen but yeah, he pulled over says to gold to be out here. He gave us a ride. And we got the car running. Eventually. And we just turned around and went back home. But yeah, but yeah, so that was a huge leap when I got my first multitrack recorder. That was huge. Yeah.

Shandin Pete: 33:57

Yeah. Remember the the mini disc. That's what he was recording on? Was? Yeah, the mini disc. You still got the mini disc masters laying around.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 34:06

I do I have some I have some of them. Yes. Yeah. The old Mini. The MiniDisc was a was was a huge. I mean for for that time period. You know, 20 years ago, that was 16 bit sound, you know, yeah. And so it was CD quality recording coming in, which was new to us. And I think back then the mini disc recorder was probably around 400 bucks, you know, and yeah, those of you who are born in Born and raised and grew up on a raised 400 bucks, man that's like equivalent to like, you know, 2000 bucks. Today, you know what I mean?

Shandin Pete: 34:42

Yeah, unheard of to spend 400 on anything. Yeah,

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 34:45

yeah, it was. I mean, no one didn't have that kind of cash. But when we got our hands on a mini disc recorded out, that's you know, we were we were feeling we were feeling hot, you know 20 Bros have a mini disc recorder.

Shandin Pete: 34:59

You Yeah, yeah, I remember that time you guys came over and recorded in the basement there. That was you and your uncle and I can't remember who else. But you guys recorded that one song. I don't know if that ever made it onto any of your albums, but that's pretty nice song you guys recorded there. Oh, I still have it.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 35:20

Oh man, remember?

Shandin Pete: 35:21

No send it to you. I bet I never I'd bet you'd never put it on in the album's he brought it up. I don't even remember it.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 35:28

That's true. I probably have to relearn it. Yeah, I'd have to relearn.

Shandin Pete: 35:31

I'll give it to you. I'll get it. Yeah. It's a good one is what you're gonna say, Aaron.

Aaron Brien: 35:37

No, I just remember when you had that. Oh, yeah, that recording stuff. All that recording stuff at your place? Yeah, Missoula. It would have been Missoula, then. Yeah, that's

Shandin Pete: 35:46

right down. That sorry. Nicole came to my little Missoula house. They're downstairs in that basement. You guys recorded down there too. in it. I recorded a couple of wack tracks. They're listening to one of them the other day? Yeah. Underground. Underground. Yeah.

Aaron Brien: 36:04

We actually recorded in your, in your house. I remember. Me Bronson MacDonald and Jordan. A song ACOA showed us. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and I but I, man, I don't I will couldn't remember the song right now or anything, but I remember

Shandin Pete: 36:20

that all those

Aaron Brien: 36:22

good ones. But it was just for fun. It was like we were just messing around like, yeah, yeah, to homie that had some shit to record. You know? Like, yeah, let's go check about the school. Check it out. You know? Not it's pretty good to me. To me. I feel like singing. That's what I'm always chasing now. Is that that feeling from that time where singing was like, man, it was fun. You know, it was cold. And it seemed cold all the time. I don't know why. The back of my head was cold all the time. And it was like, he always had an drum around. He always had a couple of sticks. And yeah, you were just you crack a tune out anywhere, man and anywhere.

Shandin Pete: 37:05

Remember to remember the debate about the sort of the purest, the purest debate, who would say oh, no, if you're going to record you shouldn't put any effects on. It should be pure to be your voice. feverish if you put echo in there or delay anything. You're taking the spirit from that song? You remember people saying that stuff? Do you remember? No,

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 37:29

no, I didn't. I didn't have to. But we still have to like my very first round dance album that I ever put out. Called Brown Dance time. I recorded it in Rock Hall and for Washakie. And it was in a huge room. Yeah, so it had this natural echo and I mean, because we didn't I you know, my first one I didn't have access to reverb or nothing. Everything was we had to create. I mean, I wish we would have thought of the stairwells back then.

Aaron Brien: 38:02

Still took overdue. Yeah. Yeah, that's all I got. Yeah, I got a burning question for you in a core. Yeah. Do you ever listen to any songs on any of the albums you made? And then think, Ah, God, damn, why did I record that?

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 38:22

Um, well,

Aaron Brien: 38:25

everyone, your baby.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 38:28

I don't, I don't, I don't really have a problem with any of the songs is what it is what makes me cringe is the recordings. That's what that like, like, I pull up some old music and I'm like, Ah, man, Ash is no good. I mean, but no, I got I got no problem with the songs. It's just, like, you know, knowing you know, just, we've advanced so far, you know, right, with the with the software's and, like, in fact, this just happened in today's I posted a an old song off of that album. In fact that when to change album, yeah. And, and, and we I was looking for it because I was teaching it to my daughter. And she was like, Who song is that? You know? And I said, that's the, that's my song. I say, here. I'll show it to you. And I pulled it up and start playing it. I couldn't believe it. I'm like, what is it? Like, what am I listening to right now? But yeah, you gotta

Aaron Brien: 39:25

but even for people who saying or are actively listen to music like that. The standard was so low because yeah, we listened. We were willing to listen to tapes recorded on like little recorders that cracky sound mono. Even when your stuff came out. It was like holy shit, man. Like, yeah, you can hear it like it's, you know, sounds full. So like our standard was so low like these guys that will never know what it's like to like, record a tape at Apollo, you know? Yeah, because, yeah, even your iPhone, the iPhone. One sounds better than probably some of them. Recordings back then. Yeah.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 40:05

Yeah. Like, yeah, for real. Yeah. You know, what's funny, though, is, you know, at the time when that when we first put that CD out, when to change we were, we were like, talking, we're awesome. We're so proud of it, right? Like, you know, how we were able to add some reverb and stuff in there. We're so proud of it. And we were me and my cousin, were actually talking right after we was all done. And we were saying, How are we going to top this? You know, how are we? Now we look back on and it's, it's absolutely funny to, you know, to think that we're like, how are we going to, you know, pretty easy. Yeah, just say, Hey, girl was a girl was in the evolution of that has been pretty wild to see how fast because you know, prior to that, you know, Shawn Dean, I know you've grown up with, you've seen the technology grow a little bit, right, you know, you've seen that kind of from the cassette tapes, and then it kind of gets into even like internet, things like that, you know, margin action right here. So, you know, we were there in a birth of the thing, right? And yeah, so we kind of seen how to how advanced and how these things take took leaps and bounds within, you know, just a couple of decades, compared to what what internet was 20 years ago, man, I mean, no one was on it yet, even phones and all this stuff. But that jump within the last 20 years, it has been so rapid. And it's it's very similar with like, software's and, you know, recording stuff like that. It's, it's, it's similar, like, those have also taken leaps and bounds with some of the capabilities. It's amazing. Yeah, I mean, as a, as an audio engineer, it's amazing what some of the stuff that they the capabilities that they

Aaron Brien: 42:01

have you ever considered doing more like, just because you got the equipment and stuff more like ethnographic stuff, like starting to record like, in, like, traditional music, like more, just for not for production, but just for like, preservation, just because you do understand sound so much like, we don't really have recordings like that, that are that quality, you know, like, Yeah, have you ever have you considered that kind of stuff? Uh,

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 42:30

no, no, I mean, I absolutely have man in here. In fact, it's cool that you bring that up. Because so we, we built a studio here, in this is where we do a lot of our our, like, music stuff, right, right here. But but one of the things, you know, we're working on a project right now. Well, I am. And it's an Indian education tool is what it is. And so we're working with storytellers. And they've come in and started sharing some of these stories. And because we built it, it's built for schools, right, it's built for we wanted to, to share some of the stories like like, the origination of Paulo, where did the story behind that? Where did that come from? You know, and, and then just other light things, the you know, the so I started with a Cinnabon series, because that's who I had access to right away, like, like, you know, right now I can I can, you know, my uncle is one of our storytellers. And so I said, You know what, I'm going to do a little Cinnabon series. And we're going to Hill Hill Hill, then he did, he came in, and we recorded, he shared some of the stories even shared a couple songs, some old songs. And, and then there's also we're kind of, you know, branching out into a great plane series. With it, but this, this has been been heavily in the talks here for the last four months, actually, probably, since we've, since we've gotten this education tool together. And we have enough right now, to, to launch. I mean, we launched this year for schools. And so we are, we were talking about how do we grow this thing? And how do we be able to come to other raises and, and, you know, work with their storytellers, or some of their, like, Song makers, and, you know, whatever that may be. And that's what it kind of falls under falls under the, it's, it is a form of preserving, right. And so that was kind of the angle we were looking at is you know, maybe we can talk to some maybe different programs or even the tribes itself and say, look, here's this thing that we're doing but at the same time, you know, if you guys want to preserve some of the stuff, you know, we can help do that and whether you want to share it or not out that will be up to you guys. Yeah, you know, they can they can just take it keep it if they want, you know, they don't have to share it. But yeah, but yeah, so that's kind of been been a huge topic here for us is really does it falls under that preservation, you know,

Shandin Pete: 45:00

Hmm, that's a strange one. And it when he talks about this idea of preservation, you know, there's this, just like I was saying about that debate about the purest, you know, singing versus the edited, you know, or the augmented in a certain way. And I just remember that that sort of debate going on, I sort of started when Randy Woods was doing his, you know, some of his first solo albums, and only they were, they were pretty good, you know, and then, you know, it kind of, he kind of started doing something different. And people didn't like it too. Well, some people didn't like it a whole lot, too much editing and all that. But this in the same regard that you were talking about, but preservation of stories and those kinds of things, you know, there's always that, that audience out there that says, well, these things ought not to be shared in that manner. An example would be, you know, archives these days are requiring tribal consent for, for, you know, old songs and old stories that were recorded. Whereas before, you know, you could go back a decade, and you could just request those things, and they just send them to you without consulting the tribal group. Those kinds of things. Yeah. So, um, I guess in that way, you know, it's the restriction on things kind of causes a dilemma for those who want to learn and know. Yeah, so one of the debates today is, you know, well, we'll even before all that, should these kinds of things even be recorded? Should they be documented in that way? And some people say they ought to be practiced, not recorded. Now, I don't share in that, but I'm curious what your thoughts are, if and if you've heard that sort of debate?

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 46:45

For sure. Yeah. Well, that's, that's, uh, you know, I, you know, I can see both sides of that. And yeah, and I can even agree with both sides, you know, so I'm not, I'm not really staunch on one side of the fence on that, I respect that, that side of it. But I also know that from, you know, my belief that it's, it's a, we are in a different time, just like powwows evolve, it's like music and all this stuff. I mean, whether whether you want it to or we want it to or not, it's going to evolve every year, it's going to, and so we're in a time now where like, our kids and stuff that they've at all, like this, this, this technology has been there since the before they were born. Yeah. And so in a lot of times, this is how they engage. And this is how they learn is via, you know, video, and things like that. And we kind of, you know, I come from the view of, of, you know, we need to use what, what's what works, right? Because, you know, sometimes we do get stuck in that old mentality, and it'll keep us stuck, it'll, it'll keep us all stuck. You know, and unless we're willing to come forward and share a little bit, and, and, you know, do our little part, you know, that's kind of how I see it. And so, yeah, that's kind of one of the big, big, you know, things there, but, but I also agree, like with, you know, like, some of the things that like, like, you know, like, ceremonial type stuff, sacred type stuff, you know, I do believe that, that, that, that's not for everybody, right, you know, so I, I totally respect that, like, you know, only you know, you know, so I look at it more like the lighter stories, like, you know, if we can get, like, where did the hand game come from, like, that's, we can share with the world, you know, what I mean? Right, you know, the grass dance, the, you know, different dances and powers, and either these are more social things, you know, you know, the ring tailed around dance, and, you know, some of these stories, you know, those to me, I feel should be shared. Because these are, these are dances that our children participate in. And, you know, one of the things that inspired me even when I started to even started building this, this little library of stories was, I was taking my daughter to school one day, and she's was at the time, this was like, three years ago when she was in, she's in sixth grade. And, and she asked me, she said, Dad, you know, we we live on a reservation, I go to school on a reservation, and I learned nothing needed. gonna sell. You know, she said, I've danced since I was a tiny tot. And where did that come from? Where did Powell come from? And in that moment, in that moment, I realized that even as a father, I'm not sharing that thing down to even my own children. Some of these stories so anyway, that was part of the art of that. That inspiration was like, why why are we not sharing this this stuff with our children? You know, and they even actively participate have paid in it. Right? You know, we, we set our kids up in a dance and they don't even know where this came from, what is it? Yeah. And so I'm like, you know, what, we, we need to get this, we need the I need to get these stories and we need to share them and, and and get it to the students. You know, the that's that was my kind of vision for the project was we we have to get to the students because because we're we're losing even some of the basic stuff, you know what I mean? And yeah. And understand there's levels to it, you know, there's their ceremonies and things like that, that, that, that people do that? Yeah, many people on the reservation won't experience. Right, that's, uh, you know, maybe a smaller group that that that participates. Yeah. So you know, so is that, you know, that kind of stuff, you know, definitely, you know, that that should be done, you have to live it, you know, you need to go in and learn that in in person. You know, that's how you learn those things. But, but like, the general stories and stuff, the social aspects, I feel we should, we shouldn't be sharing. Oh, yeah.

Shandin Pete: 51:04

So important, so important to do. And those blocks, you know, that we get sort of from, from the past, you know, we, we kind of been subjected to some things that, you know, people take stuff from us and right, or even eliminating it, you know, that's kind of seems like one of the reasons why we have that secrecy, you know, because we don't want to get caught in it even it even morphs into other things today, it's our own regulations and rules, you know, we get in trouble for talking about certain things, you know, but, man, it's not gonna, it's not gonna live on if we don't, you know, be as pretty and we've talked about that before on these previous episodes, Aaron and I about that whole whole debacle and kind of where we're at. Yeah, man. So I got this thing. I got this thing because I got them. I got to not not too shabby round dance singers. Aaron thinks he thinks he's average and all that. But he's I heard him sing some decent songs and make some decent songs. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Has and he's making his face. He's making this kind of trying to be humble faced bad or I don't know. Because I do that. No, this is what I want. Now Now you're a skilled singer. And you know a lot of songs and you know how to make you know how musicians can you know, they got sort of a mastery of of this of music in a way that they can make a song sound happy. Oh, man, make the same song. sound sad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, man song right. Roundup. Yeah, so I got I got this. Like, let's take a some lyrics and let's see if we can do this. Because I want the audience to hear I want the audience to hear this. That the mastery of singing where you can make a song sad, same, same, same words. almost same tune, and make it sound sad. Happy.

Aaron Brien: 53:16

We were okay. Okay, you're gonna make me sing your singing? No, you are

Shandin Pete: 53:25

well, okay, well, no, we're gonna we're gonna get you to say not feeling so shy. Let's think of these lyrics now. Now think of the most common beginning to around dance song. What would you say that was? Aaron will go Aaron and we'll go Nicole. What's the most common words for around dance song English words for round dance song the beginning. The first ones that come to your tear head.

Aaron Brien: 53:51

Like,

Shandin Pete: 53:52

don't think about it too long to say. Oh,

Aaron Brien: 53:56

my baby or Oh sweetie.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 53:59

Yeah, yes. Okay. Okay. Nicole is gonna say okay. Same thing. Yeah,

Shandin Pete: 54:04

the one I wrote down was a baby. Don't cry. That's the one I'm gonna do this myself a baby. Don't cry. Baby Don't Cry. I would say okay, no, my sweetheart. Well, that's mine. That's not the one I thought oh, no,

Aaron Brien: 54:17

I'd say I would say Oh, baby. Oh cry. And then you gotta say you and I. Okay,

Shandin Pete: 54:25

let's do that one. Okay, are you okay with that? Nicola? Yeah. Oh, baby, don't cry. You and I said what you said Yeah. Yeah. So now Nikolas you and

Aaron Brien: 54:38

you and dies it like every it's either you and I are grammatically incorrect version. Yeah.

Shandin Pete: 54:45

Well, it has to be if it's grammatically correct. It all make sense. Yeah. Okay. So now Nicole is going to add on to this the second most or something that seems to make sense with Oh, Baby, don't cry. You and I can of course God he's got it. pencil he's writing it down he's got this he's got it I

Aaron Brien: 55:05

need to stand in a pencil we'll get your pen pencil I need a pen and

Shandin Pete: 55:09

yeah we're writing this down okay oh baby

Aaron Brien: 55:15

Squeezy Well Baby

Shandin Pete: 55:17

Don't Cry you

Aaron Brien: 55:20

and I found a note cards do that do man or

Shandin Pete: 55:24

power bill envelope oh yeah oh baby don't cry

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 55:33

I know backup I go back up to to rhyme okay yeah right I'm thing with cry

Shandin Pete: 55:39

yeah that's what I do too

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 55:41

so what are your goals so far we got oh maybe don't cry you and I we've tried and tried that's what I got

Shandin Pete: 55:51

we've tried and

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 55:53

try and try so some so memorable looking both you know to be able to do it happy and yeah

Shandin Pete: 56:01

yeah this is this is a good

Aaron Brien: 56:03

time to enter a straight break in the lyrics so yeah yeah don't cry well maybe you will die we've tried and tried hey

Shandin Pete: 56:15

hey yeah Why do you spell Hey H H A AHAYA No I'm just kidding

Aaron Brien: 56:24

it's hey ho we

Shandin Pete: 56:30

a yawn oh we okay the last lyric well I won't go through because we don't want to get too crazy the lat the end or can we end it here we could be just the short

Aaron Brien: 56:45

end with some in fact if you want to go back to like the 90s you it was something that almost doesn't even match the beginning part

Shandin Pete: 56:55

yeah it doesn't make much sense it sounds cool right? Yeah. Oh Baby Don't Cry you and I we tried and tried Yeah, like to the mountains we're gonna go or at least doesn't make no sense.

Aaron Brien: 57:11

It's kind of like kind of like random

Shandin Pete: 57:14

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Oh Baby Don't

Aaron Brien: 57:17

Cry down the lonely road I go

Shandin Pete: 57:22

you end I weave. Now we could even say we try it and try it now. We've tried and tried. You wouldn't hear that right? We've tried it now. We we dropped the

Aaron Brien: 57:33

weave. That same color job. Some sophisticated language there.

Shandin Pete: 57:40

It didn't. It did. We tried.

Aaron Brien: 57:45

And tried.

Shandin Pete: 57:48

What's the end? Let's let's see. Let's all come up with one. We'll see if it's the same. We tried and tried.

Aaron Brien: 57:56

It will go. This is so dumb. Dude.

Shandin Pete: 57:59

What? No, this is interesting. This is in the mind of the singer. Alright, yeah.

Aaron Brien: 58:04

You know how long it's been since I made a song.

Shandin Pete: 58:07

Well, now's the day to bring it back to life. You talk about singing and song. You got it yet but you say he's getting he's thinking about it. Now we got him warm. Well, you got to kind of like kind of get no, no, you got to sing it through one. One time or two. Right?

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 58:22

Okay. I'll be okay. I got it. So last words we last words we can end with baby. Just maybe we can work this out. Oh,

Aaron Brien: 58:34

that's why he is who he is.

Shandin Pete: 58:36

Okay, we

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 58:37

can maybe just maybe we can work this out this out.

Shandin Pete: 58:42

All right. How many? That's 1-234-567-8910 1112 1314 1516. So that's 18 words. 18 words to say to talk about a situation we've all been in now to add the mood now Nicole has been at this law he's she's probably the he's probably the this is like the master class.

Aaron Brien: 59:07

This is his deal. This is the master class.

Shandin Pete: 59:10

And I know he's got it. He's got he's he could sing both this sad. Happy. What would be an

Aaron Brien: 59:17

interview I'd seen I'd prefer not to even be a part of this anymore. No,

Shandin Pete: 59:21

man. Your host here is crazy.

Aaron Brien: 59:26

To try to have one round dance lyric off with Nicola. No,

Shandin Pete: 59:31

it's not who's better. It's not about who's better. Dude,

Aaron Brien: 59:34

this is gonna get soundbite it by 17 people.

Shandin Pete: 59:40

Wow, yeah, we don't want that. All right, here we go. Let's let's see. Let's see just your first off your first off on these this word. These words whose outcomes? Alright, yeah, you you do it? Yeah. What is it getting his drum? Yeah, I got a drill that's Pro. See that's still in I know to get my drum I had to go dig in a sack probably Walmart sack the closet. Okay, here we go. Whenever you're ready. What are you gonna do first sad you can do sad or happy you just see what comes out. Yeah,

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:00:14

see what flows will flows Yeah, but the flow goes we're gone with like oh baby doll crowd you win and die we tried and tried. We are we will be baby just maybe we can work this baby just maybe we can work this Oh Hey Oh, oh yeah that's just that's off the top of the dome you know Yeah,

Shandin Pete: 1:00:53

yeah and that sounds good Man that sounds good. That's probes now that was what was the mood on that one Aaron what? What what did you hear in that?

Aaron Brien: 1:01:04

That was a beat that was that was that was hopeful that guy was hopeful yeah

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:01:12

yeah so

Aaron Brien: 1:01:13

so that was that was a guy who's under under 30 years old

Shandin Pete: 1:01:24

under 30 He's never bought his own SOCKS No

Aaron Brien: 1:01:32

yeah yeah that's that's an under 30 guy so yeah core now has to do a jaded, jaded fellow who's been wondering.

Shandin Pete: 1:01:41

Well now we're gonna hear your version. No,

Aaron Brien: 1:01:43

don't do it. I'm

Shandin Pete: 1:01:43

not come on. Oh, wait, no, this Hamid through once how many three ones though? Come on.

Aaron Brien: 1:01:49

Don't eat out the right.

Shandin Pete: 1:01:52

You can do it. Just do it. No, you're

Aaron Brien: 1:01:55

crazy. I'm not following.

Shandin Pete: 1:01:58

You're not under 30

Aaron Brien: 1:01:59

you do it. So

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:02:01

like so I feel I feel like the Yeah, that's the sad vibe there little bit. You know, you kind of gotta drag to words is how I feel, ya know?

Shandin Pete: 1:02:10

The same? Yeah, you

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:02:11

gotta be like, Oh, baby. Don't want Whoa. Crown. You know, it's kind of got Yeah, a little bit of a drag. You know, it's kind of

Shandin Pete: 1:02:23

Yeah, yeah. Usually on those ones to those sad ones the leads shorter. It seems like to me that's kind of my intuition. Like the lead is sort of short. I don't know.

Aaron Brien: 1:02:35

Maybe maybe the leads less complicated on a set.

Shandin Pete: 1:02:38

Maybe that's what it is. Because it's slowed down.

Aaron Brien: 1:02:41

It's down since complicated. I'm not following code. I'm not gonna follow you. You guys.

Shandin Pete: 1:02:47

Come on, man. Give it a whack.

Aaron Brien: 1:02:49

I'm a whack singer. Now.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:02:52

I wish I had some

Shandin Pete: 1:02:55

What do you look for some rattles and to get a rattle in there? No, I

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:02:58

was hoping to get some like Reaver you know ya

Shandin Pete: 1:03:01

go get the reverb. And then go do your best shot at the sad at

Aaron Brien: 1:03:07

the with the reverb cola because that's, that's where reverb really helps out the emotions.

Shandin Pete: 1:03:14

We're gonna set the mood. Set the mood. While we heard that. We heard the hopeful. Yeah. Last year

Aaron Brien: 1:03:21

we were at around dents and billings last. I showed up late so I get it. I get it texts. Yeah.

Shandin Pete: 1:03:29

You can keep doing your check. They're a cool

Aaron Brien: 1:03:32

quote from koa as far as going to this round ends and Billings. Yeah. Anyway, show up when I'm like late, right. Yeah. And so this is the vet. This is the Vet Corps like a veteran singer. So I show up kind of being bashful by the Dory. I well, I ran into him while you were smoking, remember? And so yeah, I go out I go up, he's like, Alright, let's go in there. You know, I'm glad you're here. Whatever he gives me like it pumps me up. So I got to sing one song and then he's like, we start humming another tune. He's like, go ahead, start it. So then I started the next song. It's like oh, yeah, go ahead. Start it. Like nine songs in trashed and then around dance is over you know, and then I thought, yeah, I won't show up late again. That was like, like those take a tack. He was like a tactfulness to it. I don't know if then it was like to hear oh, yeah, that's a good song started good. I got we sang like 12 songs like an hour

Shandin Pete: 1:04:43

Yeah,

Aaron Brien: 1:04:44

I felt like a rookie again.

Shandin Pete: 1:04:46

Yeah, getting there getting nervous. Getting a bit nervous. Yeah, so Okay, Nicola, you got your sad? Yeah, shall we shall we?

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:04:58

This will just go off top of the dome.

Shandin Pete: 1:04:59

You know oh you don't want you don't want us to get you in the mood like pick on you a little bit get you a little bit mad. No, okay. Okay, just channel the fight that you had earlier.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:05:09

Yeah

Aaron Brien: 1:05:11

it's already there buddy you're only one tick tock video away from being there

Shandin Pete: 1:05:19

from a range of emotions on an instant Okay, here he goes straight from the dome

Aaron Brien: 1:05:26

he's got his effect see what he's got

Shandin Pete: 1:05:32

he's looking at studying the lyrics again.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:05:38

Oh, baby to cry. You and we tried in China. We Oh, baby. Maybe we can work it out

Aaron Brien: 1:06:14

seems like when they get Saturday are more simple. Yeah. Simple. Yeah, that's it right there. I make the straight make the street part. And that'll be our theme song for the channel. Oh,

Shandin Pete: 1:06:29

yeah. Yeah, it'll be our jingle. Man. That's cool. If anybody could do it. I knew I knew Nicola could do it. Well, yeah, that's

Aaron Brien: 1:06:40

what we're gonna have a actually, I got an A round dance tournament. One time. tourney? Oh, yeah. In Muckleshoot washed. Do you remember when they were doing that? Yeah,

Shandin Pete: 1:06:51

I remember. Yeah.

Aaron Brien: 1:06:52

Yeah. Yeah, off, but

Shandin Pete: 1:06:57

I got me one. Yeah,

Aaron Brien: 1:06:59

I'll see it. There's a certain family. Oh, in Washington that you're not going to be dude. You're just you're not going to beat them dude. Like,

Shandin Pete: 1:07:07

I mean, on their worst day, dude.

Aaron Brien: 1:07:11

There's no winds of change.

Shandin Pete: 1:07:15

Change in your, in your future.

Aaron Brien: 1:07:18

That's what I was thinking all the time. And I was shocked. You know, son a good. I didn't sound like Mikkola but you know shit. Like, you know?

Shandin Pete: 1:07:30

Yeah, those were popular for a bidding. Tournament. Especially. I seem like I only see them in Washington. Yeah, but yeah. Well, I

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:07:38

just I just had to mention this before I lose it. Yeah, there was that middle middlemen CD. They're that area and we're working on that time. And there's a song I just remember the lead. When it goes away. We Oh. I was a middleman. I just came to my head. So I was a good time.

Aaron Brien: 1:07:58

That song that is it was kind of inspired by Bronson. Bronson McDonald. Yeah. And I it's actually one of the few tunes that I've actually sang, like, outside of like, where like, people are like, Hey, let's sing that tune in. We kind of Bronson named it beef stew blues. That still blues. Because we helped a family. We helped a family move into student housing. And then they fed us they fed us beef stew. And while we were walking home, I made that

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:08:31

song. Oh, yeah. It's a good song when we, you know, I mean, I don't know if you you would mind. I mean, I don't. I know. We're in our own places and stuff. But I'd like to do a version of that rule. Yeah. Do you know what just to kind of, kind of, like you said kind of, you know, keep in some of those classics. You know, alive. You know what I mean? That was a good song.

Aaron Brien: 1:08:52

That was during the big recovery days to so I listen to it now. It's like, it's it doesn't drop. The song doesn't drop in. Big River Cree was come they kept songs like they hang you know. Yeah. And I think I'm kind of thinking like that song had some of that what jumps a little bit but it stays pretty. You don't you don't start at row Hi, you

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:09:14

know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's

Aaron Brien: 1:09:16

been a long time.

Shandin Pete: 1:09:17

So yeah.

Aaron Brien: 1:09:19

Long time. Way, way. Way, way, way. Way. Hey, we

Shandin Pete: 1:09:37

see, we got him warmed up now. Now he's ready. Let's hear it man.

Aaron Brien: 1:09:42

No, that's, that was fun to sing, actually. Because, yeah, it was the first song while Bronston was making songs like crazy back then. And, and even John John John Stefon was making a bunch of round dance students then because he was determined to win that U DUB min handrim contests. He never even entered it. Like Bronson was instantaneous, you know, he can make a song and then John John song composing styles like legendary brand, right? Like it's structurally perfect, like the way John makes tunes. So it's like you have to demands respect. Like, I know what I'm saying. Like, yeah. So like,

Shandin Pete: 1:10:27

you have to learn. You can't just, you can't just follow it and say in it, you can predict what it's going to do. Yeah, you got learned

Aaron Brien: 1:10:33

a song and then you respect the tune, you know what I mean? So, so, and at the time, they were both living with me, we all lived in a one bedroom apartment. We called the bullpen and never really, I was never a song making kind of guy. But when I did make a tune. And when John would say, Oh, that's a good song, then. That was it. Right? Yeah. So what made the tune I got back I showed it to John and he was like, Damn, that's a good song, man. He's like, I'd sing it and I was like, why made it? I made it. It don't. Yeah, it don't matter what happens. Yeah. For every every song approved by a respected singer. Dude that buys you 10 Trash songs, man. Yeah.

Shandin Pete: 1:11:34

You can make an album. Yeah. That one song.

Aaron Brien: 1:11:38

I think we did record that song. At your house.

Shandin Pete: 1:11:42

Yeah, I still have all those tracks. Well, we

Aaron Brien: 1:11:46

recorded it originally. Nikolas house.

Shandin Pete: 1:11:49

Oh, really? Oh, okay. Okay.

Aaron Brien: 1:11:53

We were I don't know, man. We just when I look back at it. I would like to if I could ever if for some reason that recording magically showed up. I would like it just for the simple fact that there's there's two people on the recording that are no longer with us, you know? Yeah. But we didn't show up. Dude. That's I mean, to me, like when I think about it was like we didn't show up. We fucked around too. Oh, sorry. We, while we were messing around too much singing. Like we were saying we sang for like six hours the day before? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so like, when we were recording, it was like, we sounded good. But it was not. It was not what start the recording started. Because you I think you saw us at a handrim contest.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:12:47

or something. Yeah,

Aaron Brien: 1:12:48

someone was like, Hey, you guys should record or something. And I was like, alright, yeah, whatever, you know. And, but yeah, I always thought like, but we didn't know the game. We were young and we were just like, we were just singing all the time. Like you weren't gonna stop us. You know? Like, even if Cole wanted to record us we're like, No, we're gonna sing the whole way up there. And yeah, it was Yeah. But in a weird, weird way, the recording not coming out didn't really bother me that much. Because it was like the experience was fun, man. Like it was a Rocky Boy. We recorded that Thursday night. I think. I can't remember it was like either after Rocky Boy or before it said the same weekend doing something that I didn't realize how hard it was to record round dance songs in the summer Why is this so hard? During the summer, it's just not the same vibe. I was like, Oh, it was cool. Oh man, we had Tony and Jude fate or Jude Phelan recorded with us. Of course acorn and Bronson and yeah, the late Jeremy Eastman and and then you and beefy jumped in on like the last two tracks, I think.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:14:08

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Shandin Pete: 1:14:14

So Nicola, you got some you got your gut. Your newest, your newest album out? is out now. Yeah. Yeah,

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:14:23

well, actually is what it is, is we're just releasing singles. So we're not done yet. We're gonna we're just trying something new. Yeah. We're lists. We don't really understand. You know, I'm still learning the market. You know, especially with within this whole new era with tick tock and all these different social media. Yeah, thing. So it's, we're just trying to get that all figured out. Like how does that work? So we just said, you know, what we can, you know, we'll just we'll just release a single every, you know, maybe a month or twice a month or something like that. We'll see how it goes. Yeah, so And plus we thought, you know, we this kind of thinking maybe it would entice people where they didn't have to spend, you know, 20 bucks or whatever it is. Yeah. You know, was will will sell the song at like, $1.88 or something like that. Yeah. So, you know, some of them are dollar 70. You know, we were just, we're just trying on now I'm seeing that, you know, maybe someone's be a little more apt to go well, you know, hey, it's only $1.88 Man, let me let me get this song. Yeah. And you know what I mean, the way I see it, it's, uh, you know, I, I just, you know, it's less than a cup of coffee. It's something that you will always get to have, you know, it's it's all digital. So what's the mp3? So it's, it's, uh, you know, I mean, to me, it's a good it's a good trade. Right? Right, right. Yeah. Have

Aaron Brien: 1:15:46

these have these reserves, man, they don't have bank accounts. They'll be like putting your debit card info, and they're gonna ask the grandma and Yeah. They'll just put their phone up against somebody. Yeah. You know, it's funny, you know, it's funny. I've seen a handful of round dances now with Nicole. It's funny, because I noticed something with you, man. You never really seem eager to sing your own tunes, man.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:16:23

Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know, it's, it's cool that she will bring that up like this. And is that really kind of came from, you know, when I would round dance like a lot in Canada when we were staying up there. And it was tough when, you know, it was like, it's like, following, you know, like, you're, you know, maybe you get the sticks, and you're the fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth guy out, or whatever. And, you know, these guys are singing a lot of common songs. So they're all rockin, they all know them. And then you come out, and I've done it, where I just bring my own set. It's like, like, I got four songs. In, I'm gonna sing just my own songs. But, you know, you got five guys that know it, maybe if you're lucky, you know, and it makes it so tough. And it's just almost like, you know, following that really loud sound where everybody's singing. And then he got five guys, and it's just almost kind of, you know, it kind of kills the vibe a little bit, you know, of the so ever, ever, you know, I've tried that a couple of times. And I didn't like how it felt I didn't like what it really does. So I just kind of, you know, I like to think what everybody knows, it's just, it's just easier. So that's kind of where that comes from, you know, is, yeah, you know, we were there. There was times when we would show up. But I mean, but if I had, you know, I mean, because we used to sometimes we would travel in a pack of five of us, sometimes six of us to around us, then then, you know, if you got 545 Good guys that I mean, five good singers that know your songs out, will will pull them out, you know, definitely. But it's just, uh, you know, what's one of the things with roundabouts is becoming a really become individualized, it's not so much a group setting anymore. And so just, you know, you kind of it's kind of, you know, you show up and if you get the sticks, you know, you share some music, but, and I mean, that makes it tough. You know, that's a hard thing, Air and Air, like what you brought up because, especially when you travel a long ways, and you go somewhere and you're your guest and they maybe they honor your knee, you go out, you get the sticks, and you know, people maybe want to hear that, right. And

Aaron Brien: 1:18:32

yeah, I'd like to talk that's why they invited you. And

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:18:36

it makes it tough, because it's

Shandin Pete: 1:18:40

so low and it

Aaron Brien: 1:18:43

singers, singers are impatient, too. Yeah, like you could go over to and you can even pick Okay, here's the easiest song I've made. And it's like they're just kind of like, complacent to what you're doing. And then yeah, then you bust out a LEED for an old used up tune and they're like, Yeah, to cigarettes like,

Shandin Pete: 1:19:03

yeah, yeah. Yeah, everybody everybody wants to sing at about, you know, 80 to 90%. That's kind of where it feels good. You know? Yeah. If you don't know it, you can probably give it you know, 20 15% right. Don't feel the same. I can relate to what you're saying. You know, yeah, here's the only one who's just blasting and you ain't got no pick up. It doesn't matter how good you're singing how good the song is.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:19:29

Yes, yes.

Shandin Pete: 1:19:31

It feels like work.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:19:33

Yes. Yeah, it

Aaron Brien: 1:19:37

are singing with flat drums. That's hard. It's hard, dude. It's it seems like it kills your boys. I don't know. Is there something psychological there?

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:19:47

Maybe.

Aaron Brien: 1:19:48

Maybe we meeting you this summer? Cool. We sing out wall runs above steel. Yeah, I remember that. That. Drums went flat man. Yeah, it just seemed like done. At least for me, it was hard to get good not seeing it was hard to get some bounce in your job, man.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:20:10

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Helps. Kind of helps. I think it helps that vibration and stuff helps carry it, you know, kind of gives us it has that bounce. And we

Aaron Brien: 1:20:21

can all be Shawn Dean Pete. Yeah.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:20:25

Don't get sing on anything. Give me a chair. Give him a chair. Yeah.

Aaron Brien: 1:20:31

He's probably saying he's saying on hood, see single chairs, chairs pose. He's probably saying Oh, yeah.

Shandin Pete: 1:20:37

I made a hand drum out of packing tape and a bucket one time not on a good do sounded really good. Yeah, it's really good. That kind of ping to it being the well being and yeah.

Aaron Brien: 1:20:51

You know, you know, it's funny as our listeners, our listeners, I think largely academic I'd like to think but they have no clue core. How good of a singer shadiness.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:21:05

Yeah. I think I think Sean Dean's one of the like, I mean, you know, he's kind of, I don't know, he's done a good job of like, kind of playing it low. You know, like he did. I don't know how, and I don't like flies under the radar. But he's one of the most underrated singers like, like, I was like, I used to wish he would try voice. He would come help us out. And it's like, when he come and sat down. It's like, we went to this. You know, what, the next level that you're trying to hit? It's like, there it is. There it is. This is our dude. It was it was Tony. Yeah, it's

Aaron Brien: 1:21:43

like, yeah, he's got commitment issues, I think.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:21:47

Yeah, yeah. You gotta help us out. What?

Aaron Brien: 1:21:53

Do the what? I've said it the same drum with Johnston farm Michael from boys and Shawn Dean P and God damn. Yeah. Legendre.

Shandin Pete: 1:22:07

Yeah, know, the love of singing really drives kind of how you how you decide to, to approach it, you know, and I always wished, you know, I always wish that I could travel and sing around. But it wasn't a big enough wish for it to happen. Right. Like, I had these other things that that pulled me like bigger wishes. So I tried to maintain Well, you know, I use I use singing as as sort of a vehicle to achieve these other things. And I want I want my life and yeah, so like, like, this past weekend. I said, Man, I need to sing in you anything. That's anything. So I went a little local power and just blasted you know? Yeah. Get that feeling again. You

Aaron Brien: 1:22:49

mean you baptize BC?

Shandin Pete: 1:22:53

I don't know about that. But you know, you have a priority, you know, on where you where you set your your skills, no matter what they are, you know, whether you're a singer or you're, you know, you're a writer, it doesn't matter what you what you do, and you choose how to use that, depending on how you want to spread that out in certain areas. So yeah, I always had that desire, though, but it's just never I just always had too many kids to, you know, travel around. And so I thought, well, there's other things that, that I need to do with that. And so teaching that to them, passing it on to them. Maybe they'll go do that. But yeah, yeah, man. Well,

Aaron Brien: 1:23:29

if you're like me, I became very picky about who I wanted to sit at a drum with for hours a day. Like, I was just gonna jump on a cruise like, man, do I even like, did he? I gotta sit here and visit with these guys, you know? I mean, so it's like, it's pretty tough. So it got to the point where I, there was other factors and singing and traveling that I didn't like. Yeah, yeah. And if I, so I became pretty picky about who I was singing with. And it really just came down to like, I liked local powers and our singing with dry lake or something. Or, like, yeah, because I knew I'd those guys are my friends. So I knew we could hold a conversation outside of singing, because I've said drums all weekend and people all they want to know is where are you going next weekend? I say so and so I had this power. Do you know, and it's like, that's cool. But I mean, I like other stuff, too. Men.

Shandin Pete: 1:24:28

Kind of shallow. Well, like

Aaron Brien: 1:24:32

we were saying I was at Rocky Mountain College, Paul a couple of weeks ago. And Cole comes up to me at the drum. We started visiting. We talked about singing, but you could tell the way we were talking about singing was probably not normal to other singers. Yeah, at least that's how I felt. That's how I felt. I mean, given deep. So when Walt was there, former guest of the show, he turned around, we started visiting It became like this weird wish it was a podcast, really, but it was. And I was like, if I could get that experience all the time at drums, then then I probably would say more. But really, as a vehicle like you like you learned a lot from it. I appreciate every bit of it, and I enjoy it. But yeah,

Shandin Pete: 1:25:23

I'm curious Nicola, Tell us. Tell us about sort of the, your words of wisdom you would give to these up and coming singers or these younger singers who are deep in it, you know, sort of some, some things that you would you would you would impart upon those that this younger generation from, from your experience? What, what are some things you would say? Well,

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:25:49

one of the things is definitely Gardevoir you got to keep it coming from the heart. You know what I mean? It's, it's that I think that's the thing that that will drive it. Because when, when it when we lose that kind of, like, lose that connection, or we could say, when it comes more out of from just the ego. And I'm gonna leave and I'm not even saying that's a bad thing. I'm just saying when it when it comes from that. It's a it's a different feeling that that we're, we're, we're we're putting out, right, yeah. And so, you know, my encouragement is that music music to me. Now, this is just my perspective, I insane, I'm right, or anything, I'm just saying, This is how I've come to believe it and view it is that music is a, it's a it's a way to speak like, with this universe without, you know, even just a tune can do it, you don't need words you don't need. And it's really a vibration. And that coming from the heart is like, the way I see it is it's it's so much more powerful, it goes so much further, and in the effects of that lifting people up is really powerful, right? I mean, I've felt that from other people's music that have lifted me out of like, even tough times, you know, really, really tough times and, and I've heard someone else's music and it does something you feel it, especially one day, in printed dat from from the heart, like when they were singing recording don't matter. But if they were in now hard space, in band, and you feel it, it's healing, music can heal, it can lift you up, it can do a lot of things. And what I think the most powerful aspect to that is one that comes from the heart, it's in prints it to me in printed into the music. And so that's just one thing I really like would encourage, you know, fingers that are that are younger singers or you know, that are open company is really trying to remember that, that what it's, you know, to me, that's what music is about is, you know, sharing that it's for everybody. Yeah, it's, it's not just ours. It's it's something it's a way that you, you, you help other people too, I guess so. So I've had people over the years and you know, I don't say this to brag or anything, but you know, just messages, just private, private messages where people have reached out and said things like, like that, like, hey, you know, like, I lost a relative or some in your music. You know, it did something. So, so I can relate to that, because I've felt that from other people's music as well. So I'm like, Man, that's good. You know, thank you. I thank you for sharing that with me or letting me know that, you know, and yeah, because I totally, I totally relate, man. But yeah, just just keeping that, that, you know, heartspace going and now. I don't know, maybe it's just because, you know, maybe we've been around it long enough. But now it comes from a place like when I sing I go and I do it because I want to. Yeah, you know, you know, in the end, there was a time you know, I'll be honest, like, you know, Hey, man, we all grew up on a reservation, we know what it's like being poor, right? Yeah. And so there's a time when like, you were just counting on this card or this Yeah, I got mouths to feed and ever Yes, it's like, dude, man, like and, and that's, you know, what, really, sometimes you get lost in that because it becomes almost like work like this is this is this is all I got right now. Yeah. And so now you know, it's it's nice to be able to come and go to a powwow or or round dance or whatever and truly come with that just that intention. People from joy, you know, like I'm here because I want to be and I'm here just to enjoy myself and to share that with others. It's really it's, it does it comes from a different place, man.

Shandin Pete: 1:29:52

That's good. Now, one last one, or the question to what what what advice would you give to older people up aren't singing in that kind of same regard you're feeling about the older folks?

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:30:06

I think this is just what I've seen in it. And, and I get it, like I said, it's not a it's not a put down or are Yeah, or anything, but one of the things that I've found with with the owner is, and I think it's an all of us, but we don't like change, you know, we just don't like the change. And, but I think the advice would be to accept it, you know, and flow with it. Like, you know, that old saying, What you resist persists. You know, it's almost like because, you know, what, there's probably aspects of it, you know, both of you guys have have seen that you don't like, right, there's, you know, what used to be like this and it ain't even close to that looks like something different now. But that that's, that's, that's, that's life is, is it evolves and changes. You know, it's one of those four falls under one of the four spiritual laws is that one of the things that is constant in this universe is change. It's going to change. Right? And yeah, so that, that would be my thing is just, you know, you got to just roll with it. Yeah.

Shandin Pete: 1:31:14

I can relate to that, man. Yeah, both both of those statements are pretty spot on. Yeah. That's cool, man. That is awesome. Aaron,

Aaron Brien: 1:31:26

you got you got anything. No, man. That was good. That's exactly what we're looking for. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what your what was said it, man. Said it. Go. That's sort of what doubt download is music. Oh,

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:31:43

yeah, sure, man. For sure. Check it out. So so I didn't I didn't let a lot of people know this. But over the last three years, I think it was we pulled I pulled a lot of my music off of these major platforms. It really all that stuff. So we just I built my own website and that's where I that's where we put our music. So it's just Nicole heavier underdog comp.

Shandin Pete: 1:32:03

Nicola Henry. Right.

Aaron Brien: 1:32:04

We'll put it we'll put it in the show notes.

Shandin Pete: 1:32:07

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that. Okay, so the only place to get exclusive. Not the bootleg. Yeah, the bootleg not phone to phone recordings.

Aaron Brien: 1:32:19

I live in the bootleg where I live in the bootleg.

Shandin Pete: 1:32:23

Part of the boot. So Nicola heavy runner.com.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:32:28

Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. runner.com.

Aaron Brien: 1:32:31

We should record a track with just us three some time. Yeah. Let's get to all the leads. Yeah.

Shandin Pete: 1:32:41

Nicola takes all the leads. We it'll be a lead.

Aaron Brien: 1:32:46

Hey, we should do it with every singer. That was a guest on our show. We'll have we'll record a track. Okay. Mike. John, Jason. Walt. Yeah. Oh, the air introduces

Shandin Pete: 1:33:02

air to snare and toussis Jason Jason heavy runner.

Aaron Brien: 1:33:07

Oh, Jason every runner corndog

Shandin Pete: 1:33:09

corner daughter corndog. Bandit, Jason. Yeah. Yeah,

Aaron Brien: 1:33:12

we should do it. It'd be fun. Yeah, I'm just trying to get on Nikolas. Shit, man.

Shandin Pete: 1:33:18

Get on one of his albums. Well, he's gonna he wants to be do one year son and that man. That'd be cool to hear that. Because that is a good reason that

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:33:25

Oh, yeah.

Aaron Brien: 1:33:26

Have at it, man, dude.

Nakoa HeavyRunner: 1:33:28

Yeah, yeah. Why? Actually, we got to bring you up and then we'll do we'll you know, we'll just do it here. Yeah. Yeah, I would. I would say we could do it down there. But I think we'd get better quality in the studio here. Yeah. So yeah, I would say come up here. Yeah, just do it. Just take a day off and just come up. Yeah.

Shandin Pete: 1:33:48

Do it, man. Yeah. Do that.

Aaron Brien: 1:33:49

Do it, Aaron. Just do me. Practice. It's

Shandin Pete: 1:33:54

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